<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: How Bill W. Learned that the 12 Steps Work for Drug Addicts, Too – Shelby, North Carolina, 1939</title>
	<atom:link href="http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/</link>
	<description>History and practice of the Twelve Steps</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 22:25:25 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous Addict</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-10963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Addict]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-10963</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Back in San Diego there was a group called the Men’s 449. I don’t know if it still exists, but the group sure has an interesting history. It started out as an AA H &amp; I meeting in a Hospital that not surprisingly treated quite a few addicts and at that time heroin was the drug de jour of many of these men.  In fact, many resented anyone who identified themselves as an alcoholic, at a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous.  

Most AA meetings, at the time, were very contentious regarding what was an outside topic, so that particular animosity carried over to many of the addicts that mingled with alcoholics.

But despite the turmoil of that time, I witnessed one of the greatest examples of inclusivity that I’ve ever seen.  One night a guy came in from the “Fat Boy” program at the Naval Hospital, at Miramar.  Simply put, if he didn’t lose weight then he was out of the Navy.  

He said that he was a happy member of Overeaters Anonymous, but he really needed a men’s meeting.  He said that if we’d let him into the meeting, he promised not to mention food.  Dennis said, “Look man, if you want to talk about Twinkies, that’s your business, and we’re cool with it.” He then rubbed his slightly rotund belly and said, “But many of us may be able to relate, but if you want to share about why you need to get relief, then you’ll relate to all of us, and then we’ll all be in the same life-raft.”

In the midst of all the controversy, and the days of the Alcoholic-Addict and the Addict-Alcoholic, one man chose to reach into his heart instead of defending his territory.  I eventually left that meeting, because I felt that I was inhibiting the junkies, and I was upset when a pot head was laughed out of the meeting.  After over 2 decades in AA, I have damn near turned my back on The Fellowship due to the latest level of controversy over pain meds.  I watched alcoholic after alcoholic succumb to the cunning, baffling, and powerfully insidious nature of pain pills, and mostly out of ignorance and cockiness. 

 The NA today is more mature, and just like in AA where us skid-row bums felt that we were the elite, with our assumed lower bottoms, I still see a slight status-enhancing bravado from some of the junkies.  However, NA has almost no dissension these days, and many old-timers who have abandoned the AA life-boat, either partially or fully have found a welcome home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in San Diego there was a group called the Men’s 449. I don’t know if it still exists, but the group sure has an interesting history. It started out as an AA H &amp; I meeting in a Hospital that not surprisingly treated quite a few addicts and at that time heroin was the drug de jour of many of these men.  In fact, many resented anyone who identified themselves as an alcoholic, at a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous.  </p>
<p>Most AA meetings, at the time, were very contentious regarding what was an outside topic, so that particular animosity carried over to many of the addicts that mingled with alcoholics.</p>
<p>But despite the turmoil of that time, I witnessed one of the greatest examples of inclusivity that I’ve ever seen.  One night a guy came in from the “Fat Boy” program at the Naval Hospital, at Miramar.  Simply put, if he didn’t lose weight then he was out of the Navy.  </p>
<p>He said that he was a happy member of Overeaters Anonymous, but he really needed a men’s meeting.  He said that if we’d let him into the meeting, he promised not to mention food.  Dennis said, “Look man, if you want to talk about Twinkies, that’s your business, and we’re cool with it.” He then rubbed his slightly rotund belly and said, “But many of us may be able to relate, but if you want to share about why you need to get relief, then you’ll relate to all of us, and then we’ll all be in the same life-raft.”</p>
<p>In the midst of all the controversy, and the days of the Alcoholic-Addict and the Addict-Alcoholic, one man chose to reach into his heart instead of defending his territory.  I eventually left that meeting, because I felt that I was inhibiting the junkies, and I was upset when a pot head was laughed out of the meeting.  After over 2 decades in AA, I have damn near turned my back on The Fellowship due to the latest level of controversy over pain meds.  I watched alcoholic after alcoholic succumb to the cunning, baffling, and powerfully insidious nature of pain pills, and mostly out of ignorance and cockiness. </p>
<p> The NA today is more mature, and just like in AA where us skid-row bums felt that we were the elite, with our assumed lower bottoms, I still see a slight status-enhancing bravado from some of the junkies.  However, NA has almost no dissension these days, and many old-timers who have abandoned the AA life-boat, either partially or fully have found a welcome home.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jeffrey Guglielmo</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-8566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffrey Guglielmo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-8566</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[my experience in the fellowship of A.A. has freed me from the bondage of addiction to narcotics as well as from alchohol but the narcotics addiction was the more dominant . It was very enlightening to see the problem of narcotic addiction existed in A.A. back then, I used to go to meetings where drugs did not be discussed because fellow A.A.&#039;S would frown on it . That is one area where i&#039;m glad A.A. has changed &#039;However i do sometimes wish the fellowship would return to it&#039;s hard concept days of no sugar coating padding the newcomers ass and the sit down and shut up methods.I am now at the age of 45 continuing my education and entering a certificate program for drug and alchohol rehabilition counselor,and this is a two year program and afterwards continuing on for a bachelors and then a masters in either physchology or behavioral science. I am going to copy this article and keep it because it was very informitive and a breath of fresh air, I also believe it will be usefull in my course of study for a classroom discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my experience in the fellowship of A.A. has freed me from the bondage of addiction to narcotics as well as from alchohol but the narcotics addiction was the more dominant . It was very enlightening to see the problem of narcotic addiction existed in A.A. back then, I used to go to meetings where drugs did not be discussed because fellow A.A.&#8217;S would frown on it . That is one area where i&#8217;m glad A.A. has changed &#8216;However i do sometimes wish the fellowship would return to it&#8217;s hard concept days of no sugar coating padding the newcomers ass and the sit down and shut up methods.I am now at the age of 45 continuing my education and entering a certificate program for drug and alchohol rehabilition counselor,and this is a two year program and afterwards continuing on for a bachelors and then a masters in either physchology or behavioral science. I am going to copy this article and keep it because it was very informitive and a breath of fresh air, I also believe it will be usefull in my course of study for a classroom discussion.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: f33dyourhead</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-8240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[f33dyourhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-8240</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi!  I was in a group on Facebook called Speak Out 2, it is a bunch of people in recovery (from whatever).  I used this article in a discussion on drug addicts in AA.  Thank you :)
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  I was in a group on Facebook called Speak Out 2, it is a bunch of people in recovery (from whatever).  I used this article in a discussion on drug addicts in AA.  Thank you <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: tom k</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-5784</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-5784</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The stuff underlying the addiction {whatever it is] has, as long as I&#039;ve been sober , been reco
gnized as being the same. No surprise here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stuff underlying the addiction {whatever it is] has, as long as I&#8217;ve been sober , been reco<br />
gnized as being the same. No surprise here.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marlin</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-4989</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-4989</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article.   Thanks for your insight Piers.  For me it&#039;s been all about getting rid of the selfishness and centering on God and helping others.   Who knows, after reading about this Shelby meeting, I may just start our next Chapter two meeting with a hymn and a real prayer!   LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.   Thanks for your insight Piers.  For me it&#8217;s been all about getting rid of the selfishness and centering on God and helping others.   Who knows, after reading about this Shelby meeting, I may just start our next Chapter two meeting with a hymn and a real prayer!   LOL</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Piers</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-4979</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Piers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 13:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-4979</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Marijuana is as different from cocaine as alcohol is from either. It makes no sense to make a special distinction where alcohol is concerned. Alcohol IS a drug with a specific phenomenonology. But so is heroin. The question is whether the underlying condition driving addiction is the same. Selfishness and egotism reflect a fundamental spiritual disconnect that is common to ALL addicts. And it effects us all the same in terms of what it does to our relationships and psyches. That was my point of identification. Hangovers and opiate withdrawal are peculiar to certain subatances, selfishness is the root condition of ALL addicts. Furthermore, the pure alkie is an increasingly rare breed of cat. Most people coming into recovery are poly-addicted. Do we alienate these folks by telling them how they must speak, or do we welcome them regardless of their preferred substance if they are suffering and in sincere need of a spiritual solution? I’m not going to turn my back to anyone…. My loyalties are first to God and drug addicts, and only then to an all-too-human institution…..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marijuana is as different from cocaine as alcohol is from either. It makes no sense to make a special distinction where alcohol is concerned. Alcohol IS a drug with a specific phenomenonology. But so is heroin. The question is whether the underlying condition driving addiction is the same. Selfishness and egotism reflect a fundamental spiritual disconnect that is common to ALL addicts. And it effects us all the same in terms of what it does to our relationships and psyches. That was my point of identification. Hangovers and opiate withdrawal are peculiar to certain subatances, selfishness is the root condition of ALL addicts. Furthermore, the pure alkie is an increasingly rare breed of cat. Most people coming into recovery are poly-addicted. Do we alienate these folks by telling them how they must speak, or do we welcome them regardless of their preferred substance if they are suffering and in sincere need of a spiritual solution? I’m not going to turn my back to anyone…. My loyalties are first to God and drug addicts, and only then to an all-too-human institution…..</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-4973</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 02:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-4973</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Well, Both Bill W. and Dr. Bob used drugs in their stories in the big book. So, drug use has been a part of AA. from the beginning. To me people have to identify as Alcoholics in an AA meeting and adding anything else to that does reinforce the idea that they might be different from the rest of the people in the room. That&#039;s why we have other 12 step programs. As a recovered Alcoholic who spent some time using only drugs, I can assure you that the dynamics of drug use are different than alcohol. Even if the solution is the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Both Bill W. and Dr. Bob used drugs in their stories in the big book. So, drug use has been a part of AA. from the beginning. To me people have to identify as Alcoholics in an AA meeting and adding anything else to that does reinforce the idea that they might be different from the rest of the people in the room. That&#8217;s why we have other 12 step programs. As a recovered Alcoholic who spent some time using only drugs, I can assure you that the dynamics of drug use are different than alcohol. Even if the solution is the same.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: shaun</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-4943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shaun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 23:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-4943</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[My personal recovery, as a drug addict, and my subsequent spiritual growth as a Christian, has led me to examine the 12 steps from a scriptural point of view. This was, it would seem, the original starting point. What I have discovered is that the 12 steps work for any addiction, and that includes an addiction to sin, from which all mankind suffers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal recovery, as a drug addict, and my subsequent spiritual growth as a Christian, has led me to examine the 12 steps from a scriptural point of view. This was, it would seem, the original starting point. What I have discovered is that the 12 steps work for any addiction, and that includes an addiction to sin, from which all mankind suffers!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: john w</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-4920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john w]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 15:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-4920</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Drugs helped me drink for days on end. I only identify as an alcoholic in meetings. If you are an alcholic and something your saying you are different. I believe this will decrease your chances of recovery. Alcoholics need to identify in order to receive hope. &quot;Using&quot; in not in our preamble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drugs helped me drink for days on end. I only identify as an alcoholic in meetings. If you are an alcholic and something your saying you are different. I believe this will decrease your chances of recovery. Alcoholics need to identify in order to receive hope. &#8220;Using&#8221; in not in our preamble.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: henry johnson</title>
		<link>http://stepstudy.org/2008/07/08/how-bill-w-learned-that-the-12-steps-work-for-drug-addicts-too-%e2%80%93-shelby-north-carolina-1939/#comment-4882</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[henry johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 20:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://stepstudy.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-4882</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[AA has helped me in my struggles with my allergy to alcohol and drugs. Their work is sound and if someone says otherwise they haven&#039;t worked it thoroughly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AA has helped me in my struggles with my allergy to alcohol and drugs. Their work is sound and if someone says otherwise they haven&#8217;t worked it thoroughly</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

